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> <channel><title>Comments on: NoScript or No NoScript</title> <atom:link href="http://www.timlinden.com/blog/website-development/noscript-or-no-noscript/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.timlinden.com/blog/website-development/noscript-or-no-noscript/</link> <description>The official blog of Tim Linden, owner of StartXchange.</description> <lastBuildDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 01:25:03 +0000</lastBuildDate> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2</generator> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <xhtml:meta xmlns:xhtml="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" name="robots" content="noindex" /> <item><title>By: DeHawkinz</title><link>http://www.timlinden.com/blog/website-development/noscript-or-no-noscript/comment-page-1/#comment-47546</link> <dc:creator>DeHawkinz</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 21:57:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.timlinden.com/blog/?p=982#comment-47546</guid> <description>The encrypted button is a javascript, so yes the surfer needs to enable PayPal, but as I have said before - the simplest answer is to warn the surfer with a short noscript entry that the site requires scripts to be enabled to work.
incidentally there is a simple way to reset most OTOs, but that is another matter :)Like any tool NoScript is a tool that used advisedly is a great help - many surfers will vouch for an &#039;improved&#039; surf experience, but used  poorly can cause unexpected results.  Surfers need to know how and why NoScript works, and the implications this raises. Marketers need to understand that some people will insist on using NoScript in near default settings, and either accept the loss of these surfers, or adapt their strategies to be able to interact with them.I think Sunny does an excellent job in her book of teaching a surfer how to make noscript work with sites that rely on javascripts.  But regretably this follows her opening comments suggesting marketers should be advising surfers to not use NoScript.It is because of the complexity of the issues surrounding the issue of scripts and their application that I have advocated a dual approach to educate both sides, it should not be seen as a Pro vs Anti issue, but as a matter of clarification and understanding of the others reasons for their decisions.  Some marketers will prefer to rely on scripts (and will have to accept that this will cause lost opportunities); likewise some surfers will block everything that looks like a script (and will have to accept that this will cause decreased functionality on many sites)and with that thought, I am off to check my paypal buttons which are probably the encrypted type :(</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The encrypted button is a javascript, so yes the surfer needs to enable PayPal, but as I have said before &#8211; the simplest answer is to warn the surfer with a short noscript entry that the site requires scripts to be enabled to work.<br
/> incidentally there is a simple way to reset most OTOs, but that is another matter :)</p><p>Like any tool NoScript is a tool that used advisedly is a great help &#8211; many surfers will vouch for an &#8216;improved&#8217; surf experience, but used  poorly can cause unexpected results.  Surfers need to know how and why NoScript works, and the implications this raises. Marketers need to understand that some people will insist on using NoScript in near default settings, and either accept the loss of these surfers, or adapt their strategies to be able to interact with them.</p><p>I think Sunny does an excellent job in her book of teaching a surfer how to make noscript work with sites that rely on javascripts.  But regretably this follows her opening comments suggesting marketers should be advising surfers to not use NoScript.</p><p>It is because of the complexity of the issues surrounding the issue of scripts and their application that I have advocated a dual approach to educate both sides, it should not be seen as a Pro vs Anti issue, but as a matter of clarification and understanding of the others reasons for their decisions.  Some marketers will prefer to rely on scripts (and will have to accept that this will cause lost opportunities); likewise some surfers will block everything that looks like a script (and will have to accept that this will cause decreased functionality on many sites)</p><p>and with that thought, I am off to check my paypal buttons which are probably the encrypted type :(</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Sunny Suggs</title><link>http://www.timlinden.com/blog/website-development/noscript-or-no-noscript/comment-page-1/#comment-47542</link> <dc:creator>Sunny Suggs</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 16:06:36 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.timlinden.com/blog/?p=982#comment-47542</guid> <description>&quot;Jerry Reeder (Jerry Reeder) Says:
July 29th, 2008 at 7:12 pmTim, The OTO will show. However, when you click on an encrypted paypal button, without enabling the site, you can</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Jerry Reeder (Jerry Reeder) Says:<br
/> July 29th, 2008 at 7:12 pm</p><p>Tim, The OTO will show. However, when you click on an encrypted paypal button, without enabling the site, you can</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Jerry Reeder</title><link>http://www.timlinden.com/blog/website-development/noscript-or-no-noscript/comment-page-1/#comment-47533</link> <dc:creator>Jerry Reeder</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 23:12:04 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.timlinden.com/blog/?p=982#comment-47533</guid> <description>Tim, The OTO will show. However, when you click on an encrypted paypal button, without enabling the site, you can&#039;t complete the transaction.So, you have to go back to the site and enable scripting and the One Time Offer is no longer there.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim, The OTO will show. However, when you click on an encrypted paypal button, without enabling the site, you can&#8217;t complete the transaction.</p><p>So, you have to go back to the site and enable scripting and the One Time Offer is no longer there.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Jerry Reeder</title><link>http://www.timlinden.com/blog/website-development/noscript-or-no-noscript/comment-page-1/#comment-47518</link> <dc:creator>Jerry Reeder</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 23:30:33 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.timlinden.com/blog/?p=982#comment-47518</guid> <description>I changed my opinion regarding NoScript, when I found the plugin  prevents people from taking advantage of One Time Offers.A powerful One Time Offer on a free to join site is GOLD for affiliate marketers like myself and almost everybody else using Traffic Exchanges.Think about your visitor not being able to buy from your affiliate link or join your list, when discussing NoScript instead of blocking annoying sites.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I changed my opinion regarding NoScript, when I found the plugin  prevents people from taking advantage of One Time Offers.</p><p>A powerful One Time Offer on a free to join site is GOLD for affiliate marketers like myself and almost everybody else using Traffic Exchanges.</p><p>Think about your visitor not being able to buy from your affiliate link or join your list, when discussing NoScript instead of blocking annoying sites.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Robert Puddy</title><link>http://www.timlinden.com/blog/website-development/noscript-or-no-noscript/comment-page-1/#comment-47517</link> <dc:creator>Robert Puddy</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 22:52:44 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.timlinden.com/blog/?p=982#comment-47517</guid> <description>Yes us lazy marketers could use the html code in aweber BUT...your all supposed to be internet marketers loking for the best result in your marketing and this is the pointThe response from the java script based slide ins for optins is 4 - 5 times the rate from an html form </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes us lazy marketers could use the html code in aweber BUT&#8230;</p><p>your all supposed to be internet marketers loking for the best result in your marketing and this is the point</p><p>The response from the java script based slide ins for optins is 4 &#8211; 5 times the rate from an html form</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Mike Paetzold</title><link>http://www.timlinden.com/blog/website-development/noscript-or-no-noscript/comment-page-1/#comment-47516</link> <dc:creator>Mike Paetzold</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 22:18:44 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.timlinden.com/blog/?p=982#comment-47516</guid> <description>Think this post missed the point and I know that people are missing out with Sunny&#039;s book.Unfortunately too many people jumped to an idea of what it was rather than read it first. Gee why does that surprise me - NOT.The point is that marketers are against other marketers telling people to use it but not showing them how to use it properly.This point was made in numerous comments here from people that weren&#039;t even sure if they had added it and if they had they did not know how to set it up properly.Sunny addressed a need that people need to understand how to use it and tried to provide a solution that in my opinion all marketers should be recommending.Yes in te&#039;s I use html forms because of this ad on but...The response from the java script based slide ins for optins is 4 - 5 times the rate from a sidebar optin on a blog. People teaching others to avoid these through recommending no script without education are irresponsible in my opinion.People that are supposedly trying to be marketers shuld also not be slamming people that are trying to educate proper use of an effective addon when used properly are the problem.&lt;abbr&gt;Mike Paetzolds lastest blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://mikepaetzold.com/information/week-in-review-july-26-2008/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Week In Review - July 26, 2008&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Think this post missed the point and I know that people are missing out with Sunny&#8217;s book.</p><p>Unfortunately too many people jumped to an idea of what it was rather than read it first. Gee why does that surprise me &#8211; NOT.</p><p>The point is that marketers are against other marketers telling people to use it but not showing them how to use it properly.</p><p>This point was made in numerous comments here from people that weren&#8217;t even sure if they had added it and if they had they did not know how to set it up properly.</p><p>Sunny addressed a need that people need to understand how to use it and tried to provide a solution that in my opinion all marketers should be recommending.</p><p>Yes in te&#8217;s I use html forms because of this ad on but&#8230;</p><p>The response from the java script based slide ins for optins is 4 &#8211; 5 times the rate from a sidebar optin on a blog. People teaching others to avoid these through recommending no script without education are irresponsible in my opinion.</p><p>People that are supposedly trying to be marketers shuld also not be slamming people that are trying to educate proper use of an effective addon when used properly are the problem.</p><p><abbr>Mike Paetzolds lastest blog post..<a
href="http://mikepaetzold.com/information/week-in-review-july-26-2008/" rel="nofollow">Week In Review &#8211; July 26, 2008</a></abbr></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Bruno</title><link>http://www.timlinden.com/blog/website-development/noscript-or-no-noscript/comment-page-1/#comment-47509</link> <dc:creator>Bruno</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 17:13:45 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.timlinden.com/blog/?p=982#comment-47509</guid> <description>I saw ads for that e-book. And I didn&#039;t like NoScript called &#039;nasty add-on&#039;.There are far more nasty sites that use sripts to do damage.Also, if you ask me, pop-ads and fly-all-over-the-place-ads are far more nasty (my opinion).You don&#039;t need JavaScript to make interesting splash page. If you must use it, you can use  and  tags. http://www.w3schools.com/TAGS/tag_noscript.aspExample:Please enable JavaScript (+ how to do it).I tested that with NoScript and it works.If people are interested in what you have to offer, they will enable it.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saw ads for that e-book. And I didn&#8217;t like NoScript called &#8216;nasty add-on&#8217;.</p><p>There are far more nasty sites that use sripts to do damage.</p><p>Also, if you ask me, pop-ads and fly-all-over-the-place-ads are far more nasty (my opinion).</p><p>You don&#8217;t need JavaScript to make interesting splash page. If you must use it, you can use  and  tags. <a
href="http://www.w3schools.com/TAGS/tag_noscript.asp" rel="nofollow">http://www.w3schools.com/TAGS/tag_noscript.asp</a></p><p>Example:</p><p>Please enable JavaScript (+ how to do it).</p><p>I tested that with NoScript and it works.</p><p>If people are interested in what you have to offer, they will enable it.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: JOHN BASSETT</title><link>http://www.timlinden.com/blog/website-development/noscript-or-no-noscript/comment-page-1/#comment-47508</link> <dc:creator>JOHN BASSETT</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 17:09:25 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.timlinden.com/blog/?p=982#comment-47508</guid> <description>When I started surfing I had immeasurable problems until somebody said use FireFox with noscripts. Hey presto no more problems.There is one simple easy way to have exchanges use common formatting and that is, only allow a splash page or equivalent.Scripting is not a tool required for surf exchanges as you only want to get people to look at what you have to offer and then decide to look closer if needed with a simple link URL for that purpose.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I started surfing I had immeasurable problems until somebody said use FireFox with noscripts. Hey presto no more problems.</p><p>There is one simple easy way to have exchanges use common formatting and that is, only allow a splash page or equivalent.</p><p>Scripting is not a tool required for surf exchanges as you only want to get people to look at what you have to offer and then decide to look closer if needed with a simple link URL for that purpose.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Sunny Suggs</title><link>http://www.timlinden.com/blog/website-development/noscript-or-no-noscript/comment-page-1/#comment-47507</link> <dc:creator>Sunny Suggs</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 16:36:19 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.timlinden.com/blog/?p=982#comment-47507</guid> <description>Hello!Fantastic post, Tim!In my ebook I&#039;m not COMPLETELY saying not to use NoScript.  The ebook shows you ways to use the Firefox Addon effectively.  I also encourage people to teach their downline, as well.NoScript does block Aweber forms, which are used by many, many internet marketers.  How many of the 25 million are NOT on your list, because they didn&#039;t know how to use this addon correctly?Thanks for your Post, TimSunny Suggs</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello!</p><p>Fantastic post, Tim!</p><p>In my ebook I&#8217;m not COMPLETELY saying not to use NoScript.  The ebook shows you ways to use the Firefox Addon effectively.  I also encourage people to teach their downline, as well.</p><p>NoScript does block Aweber forms, which are used by many, many internet marketers.  How many of the 25 million are NOT on your list, because they didn&#8217;t know how to use this addon correctly?</p><p>Thanks for your Post, Tim</p><p>Sunny Suggs</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Barbara Martin</title><link>http://www.timlinden.com/blog/website-development/noscript-or-no-noscript/comment-page-1/#comment-47506</link> <dc:creator>Barbara Martin</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 11:33:03 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.timlinden.com/blog/?p=982#comment-47506</guid> <description>I use No Script and will continue to use it. It helps to safe guard my computer when surfing which I do a lot of. Enuf said.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I use No Script and will continue to use it. It helps to safe guard my computer when surfing which I do a lot of. Enuf said.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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