I've seen an increase in the number of Traffic Wave teams. It's really interesting to watch. But at the core there is one goal: Building downlines.
The way it's done seems to differ. Does everyone promote the same link? Do we take turns getting the benefits? How do you get paid? Is there a fee to be on the team?
I really want to caution you here. Some of these teams are making promises that are border-line illegal. Ever hear the phrase too good to be true?
Think about it, promises of $x income for paying $x in fees. Pyramid scheme right? Whether or not you are using a product or a service as a front for a pyramid scheme, it's still a pyramid.
These come and go online so often, and I get hate mail anytime I point it out, but somebody has to say something. It's only a matter of time before the number of people getting referrals and getting paid starts to slow down until nobody is getting anything (except the people who are already in the system).
Already I've seen hints of this happening. Different teams mentioning other teams where there are long lines, and saying to get in quick on their team. Why quick? Well it's another pyramid, so the quicker it happens the more people will be able to get in before it slows down and people jump ship again.
I know many of you will come and tell me that's not so. The problem here is this: Every referral wants to be in the team. Therefor every new person in the team needs a new referral. Therefor every person on the team will only ever get 1 referral. Therefor it's not possible to build a large downline.
Update: Many people are under the impression that I'm against teams. That's not the case. It's the promises that some teams are making. Whether its a leader, or a member of a team, some are making promises. Not all of them. I am not against Traffic Wave, GDI, etc. I use Traffic Wave and I promote it. I think teams are great, I even have teams on my traffic exchange (StartXchange). There are some teams that are promising specific numbers in specific time frames which can get you in trouble.
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I can only speak for the team I joined Team Atlantlis, within 5 weeks I had a downline of 5 as promised. You could say the same about any opportunity that the signups will dry up, but do they?
Hi Tim, yep exactly what I thought. Traffic Wave is essentially an auto responder whereas all these ppl are using it as a income tool which it is not designed to be its primary purpose. But that just gets back to ppl being online to make a quick buck and not to build an ongoing business. Those that use Traffic Wave properly will still be getting the odd new member in 12 months time and longer when the current buzz has faded and the schemers have moved on to something else. Just my thoughts.
Cheers
Martin
Just one very quick observation. Realizing that Trafficwave is an autoresponder, which every online marketer should have, why would that exclude it from being a money-maker? After all, Trafficwave offers an official affiliate program. The various groups are simply using the affiliate program opportunity, which Trafficwave sanctions and endorses. It’s Trafficwave’s program.
It’s the focus. When people are in it only for the income, they’ll quickly close their account when they aren’t making the income. If they are in it for the auto responder, they’ll be there whether or not they have income coming from it.
Good point. But we’re all adults here. That person would do the same thing with anything he attempts. He’s looking for a get-rich-quick deal. Whose fault is that? You gotta look at the horizon and see that it takes a little while to get there. And guess what? There’s always another horizon ahead of you!
Good Day to One and All
Jim
Hi,
I signed up for Traffic Wave as I needed an auto responder and that is what it is.
I happened to sign up into the Traffic Wave for Profit team. I am glad I did. Their training is awesome. I have learnt lots of things I didn’t know.
It is advertised as an auto responder not a money machine.
Great adtracker too.
Barbara
I agree with you Tim, why? does everyone these days want to become rich over night instead of earning it, and why should anyone with a system let you have it and take money out of their pockets.
There are very few people lucky enough to make big money in a short time, so get your heads down and get to work, if you want it you will get it if you work hard enough and dont give up.
This is my opinion even if no one agrees woth me .
Keep getting the hate mail Tim.
Don
This type of activity gives a bad name to legitimate network marketing businesses.
The U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission gives a definition of what a pyramid schemes is. Here’s the website if anyone wants to read it.
http://www.sec.gov/answers/pyramid.htm
I love Traffic Wave, as my auto responder. I tried one of those ‘teams’ and dropped out because it just didn’t seem like it was worth my time to promote for someone else, and take away credits from my surfing. Traffic Wave is not my main business. I know, that’s the whole idea behind it, but I wasn’t getting anywhere with it. I promote Traffic Wave on my site, just in case anyone is looking for an auto responder, but I am not going out of my way for it anymore.
Teams are good, for sports, but when it comes to making money, I think that the power of one works best. You just never know what is going on behind the scenes. You just don’t have enough control and there isn’t any way of checking the ‘team stats’.
I tracked my link with the team, and there were some hits, but I did not reap any of the rewards.
A real waste of time….
Donna
Almost everything at this globe is pyramid, if you have a job than you have a boss above you and most likely you have people beneath you. There can not excist one compagny at this earth who can grow big and isnt borderline illegal. They all dance with the laws they deal with. And so are also all the compagnys (teams) at the internet for the simple reason that no compagny shows their numbers how much they have sold, what their income was in certain periodes when you wish to withdraw your earned “”money”"…or better said, earned pixels. People who reads this must never forget that as long as you dont actually have the money its just pixels moving around.So yes, as last…indeed dont keep your hopes up, as long as you deal with the internet you never have a way to check out if you are dealing with honest people. Greetings from barry
Hello and Thanks for opening a can of worms!
Traffic wave is an auto responder, unfortunately, it’s set up as a Matrix. And we all love those!
I signed up to a “team” for tickles when I started using TW. The results were dismal at best.
The funny thing is, the team admin would send me an email in disgust, if I had a personal sign up! I never did one bit of “personal” advertising as I basically was in TW for the AR service.
Now, here is where you need to pay attention to. The referrals that the “team” did send me , were all in this team to be part of a matrix and probably never even heard of an opt in form. The members that were placed in my downline for the team would never upgrade , so basically were “useless”. The referrals that signed up under me from my referral link (Which was ONLY from my email campaigns, listed at the bottom of the email and not a direct message) Generally signed up and used the system.
Now, I am sorry if this offends anyone but what I’m about to say is my opinion and from my experiences.
Traffic Wave is AWFUL.
Traffic Wave runs slow, loads slow, sends out late consistantly, has a tracking system that really is useless because you have to wait up to 24 hours for a link approval.
I could go on and on and trust me, I really wanted TW to work. Now I’m stuck in the middle of a move to AYL and it will be months before I can finally shed myself from TW as I do not want to just walk away from my current TW List.
Folks, If you are anywhere near serious about marketing, get a REAL auto responding company. Do not buy into this Matrix , team stuff. If you are only at TW to make some money through the matrix system, YOU probably won’t. The referrals are all looking for a quick buck due to the way the teams are promoting, like Tim mentioned are border line Illegal.
I could go on and on about this subject but I’d rather spend the time building my list.
Get a real and known Auto -responding company and use the AR for what it is used for…………To build your list!
For that matter, quit using and thinking Matrices will make you money. Ha, we’ve all been there before.
Find a mentor you trust and start learning how to market. Be independent. Stay focused and you will eventually start making money with a Real product.
Traffic Wave is an Auto – responder system, It’s on the lower end of the totem poll at that. For the price, you can do much better and get way more services. If you need suggestions just start asking people.
Tim’s blog, the warrior forum to name a few places. Heck, Your welcome to email me and get my humble opinion.
I hope this helps,
Douglas J Gregory
As ad to try to find a mentor: Try to find a mentor in real life, someone thats real with a real face, after all…if someone at the internet gives you advise and that advise costs you money than it will be hard to track that person down if that advise is not correct. You only can validate someones opinon or advise in a real good way if that person is not made out of pixels.
Traffic Wave (as well as GDI)…it’s all about building the downlines. The ads are (admittedly) deceptively attractive…your link is placed in a rotator, and we will keep advertising YOUR link until we fill your first level! BUT you’re SOL if you already have a TW account…you need to sign up with a new account if you want to participate (all about the downlines).
Well, that seems fair doesn’t it? Why would everyone on the team advertise for you if you’re in some other downline? They could be devoting that time and advertising to “the family.”
I know that the system works, though. I am in the same type of system with GDI. My first level is filled and I have others in my downline.
Here’s how I do it. I promote the team links diligently. But I also give equal time to my own links. When someone signs up under my personal link and I kick it to my downline. If anyone signs up under the team link, well, they handle that themselves. I don’t worry about it. In fact, today I got email that someone signed up under the link I was advertising and they went to the #1 person in the rotator. That person is not in my downline. Big deal. That’s how it’s supposed to work. My people will find their place in the rotator at the due time. But I’m not waiting for their turn to come up. Hey, it’s MY business, so I’m doing what I can to build it. I don’t place signups under myself anymore at all. I put them all under my people. That’s because I pledge that my people will succeed as long as they don’t quit. Anyone signs up under me… my signups go to the downline. That’s just me. Everyone else can do what they want. My teams going to make money eventually. Anyway, just another comment on how this thing works.
Well, let me insert a disclaimer in here, which I probably should have done before…I am a member of BOTH Traffic Wave AND GDI. I admit I signed up for both of them, first for the product/service they offered, but also for their potential income opportunity.
Like Tim’s wife, I was also a Mary Kay rep (yes, I was one for a few years)…they never made any promises as to the amount of income you could make, and they made available to EVERY rep different training methods in which you could build your business. It didn’t matter whose organization you were “under”, and you didn’t have to sign up under another MK director to get access to those training methods. That’s what irks me about some of these teams – why should I have to pay another $17.95/month in order to have access to that method? I know it runs counter to the team concept…I’m not bitter and I’m not whining…but it still bugs me.
Hi, Ellen! You’re a go-getter! Wow. Give me some of that energy.
I just thought of an analogy of why you should have to do something to be a part of the method. First, you can do that method on your own. It’s not patented. It’s a pretty good idea. You can plug that into any mlm.
Now, if I want to go and see Avatar, I’m going to have to pay whatever the admission price is. If I don’t pay admission, I don’t get in. But no one is going to force me to see it.
If I want to be a part of anyone’s team, I’m going to have to do whatever the team requirements are. If I don’t then I don’t get to be a part of the team. That’s my choice. I can do it or not. No one is going to force me.
I think this is a brilliant analogy, if I do say so myself. I’m very modest, too.
Good Day to One and All
Jim
The reason you need to have another account in a team is because that is what creates the revenue. Otherwise we would just be a TrafficWave owners club with no income!
TrafficWave, itself, promotes its 10 level commission plan as an income opportunity … problem is most people as individuals have a hard time promoting anything they’ve joined online trying to make money. It seems people are now forming teams first, then promoting these online programs as a team. For example, GDI is a proven paying program and has more types of teams than you can shake a stick at … and now, TrafficWave is proving to pay out, thus, teams are popping up every where.
For a fact, I’m trying one of these teams and my autoresponder system now pays me instead of me paying for it, in less than 2 months. Think of it this way, we are choosing our team of people that are proven to go out and promote … your effort is tracked … don’t pull a certain number statistically, you are out. We are not trying to make riches, just trying to get paid by the tools we use to operate.
I’ve been waiting for someone to speak up. I am sure 6 months from now, this current pyramid will just be a bad memory. Sadly, many people that might have actually built a legitimate business will be disappointed and give up.
Good lord, this thread is ridiculous.
With the exception of Eric, it’s just a collection of bitter, whining comments that have nothing to do with reality. It’s quite pitiful, actually.
Is AmWay a ‘pyramid scheme’? Is GDI? Is ‘My Instant Biz’? What about Mary Kay, the U.S. government or even the Catholic Church?
TrafficWave(TW) has an MLM affiliate pay plan. So what? What in the world is ‘wrong’ with that? The Team OceanSwell idea is one way to promote the product and the affiliate plan. It’s ONE way, that’s all. My God, it’s a not a ‘crime’ and a lot of people are doing quite well with it. There are certainly other methods of promotion if you don’t like what we’re doing.
I do NOT appreciate being called a liar or a criminal.
Are the various GDI teams ‘criminal organizations’ as well? Is StartXchange aiding and abetting CRIME by allowing these ‘illegal schemes’ to advertise here?
Negative attitudes and bitter attacks are the reason people are so miserable in this industry. You won’t see that kind of energy on my blog.
I won’t tolerate it…
~Rusty L. Shelton (TW OceanSwell Founder)
The problem isn’t a team concept, it’s a promise of return. There’s no way you can sustain putting 5 people under every person. It will become impossible.
When my wife joined Mary Kay, she was brought into a team. That team helped her in teaching her how to sell and recruit, but they never guaranteed her success. They encouraged her, showed her the ropes, etc, but never once did someone say you WILL make this many sales.
Don’t get me wrong, teams are great. I put teams into StartXchange because I now how good they are at encouraging people to be successful.
It’s putting promises in that get people hurt. People who can’t afford to spend money on something shell it out because they “know” they’ll make their return back in time to pay that next bill.
You can already see it by the fact there are teams referencing not getting results from other teams. So people are getting disgruntled because they were promised something that wasn’t delivered.
Anyways – I don’t know what teams are doing what, so I wasn’t calling you or any specific person a liar or a criminal. But from the outside it’s really hard to not see this a as a pyramid scheme when there are splash pages guaranteeing results..
Tim, you have no reason to defend your words, if i read your words correct than borderline illegal is not illegal but its in the grey area between legal and illegal. There is nothing wrong with exploring the borders of ethics, the grey areas. But its indeed wrong to promiss to much when there is not much or nothing to gain.
I salute you and hope that next time you wont open a can of worms but a dungeon of dragons, thanks for your wise lessons, i have learned already a lot from you.
Sure, there’s a need to defend your words! If you’re going to say something, be ready to back it up. That’s not a personal jab but just a common sense belief.
Tim, there’s no question that you know how to succeed, the proof is in the pudding. You’re doing it.
Here’s the thing… The main team breaks off into subteams who use the same method. It’s not dependent on one giant group to make it work. Sorry, it does work. It’s working for me. So, I can’t speak against it.
Dude, I don’t worry. Everyone can say what they want.
I guess I’ll slink all the way to bank since I’m just a dishonest snake. Ha.
Like I said in another post, all my personal signups go to my downline. I pledge for my people to make money as long as they don’t quit. Team signups go to the team. Big deal. There’s billions of internet users. I just want my share.
Good Day to one and all.
I can’ agree more Jim. I have my signups and I am still promoting and getting signups for my downline. I tried TrafficWave bfore and got nowhere
Let me inject some humor:
Tim, want to join my GDI team and test it out for yourself? :) :)
Okay, I’m just a funny guy.
For crying out loud, everyone, lighten up.
All I know is that it works. Sheesh.
No one forces anyone to join any team or system. It’s a cotton-pickin’ choice. Let people make their own choices. If they don’t put out the effort it won’t work.
I can give you a million dollar check, but if you don’t put out the effort to take it to the bank, it’s just a piece of paper.
Unless someone is violating the law, give it a rest. Remember, this is ‘Merica. Innocent until proven guilty. The system has proven to work for me. That’s all I know. And if it works for me, it should work for anyone else.
Good Day to One and All
Jim.. I’m a funny guy.
Also, it might help to not call everyone bitter, whining, pitiful and then at the same time say it’s attacks that make the industry miserable..
I Totally agree with rusty as the saying says if you have nothing decent to say dont say it. If what you are saying is true fair comment but it is not or is it because now a group of like minded people are coming together to make a few extra dollars and you are feeling the power and momentum of this.Sounds like bitterness teams are a good thing and whether you agree or not its not right to make assasinations of people when you have never been involved.This annoys me because through rusty and the team i am beginning to learn and grow and also providinng a much needed tool which pays for itself the autoresponder. Maybe people should take a good long hard look at where these comments are coming from.
And on your description every business is borderline illegal. Think what u want but all i know from experience is that this has helped me but i guess gurus dont like people working together eh
By using rusty’s frases you hit the spot of the advertisment world of the internet, its all about duplicating. People who work intensive with the advertismentworld are forced to find unique ways to advertise, if they just duplicate (building teams for example) than they will fail in time. The words borderline illegal can be taken as very negative but it isnt. If people dont dance within the grey areas of the advertismentworld they never will be unique and uniqueness is one of the keys for succes.
Nobody called you (or anyone else) a liar or a criminal. Tim was referring to the borderline-ness of the practice of making promises, you’ve missed the whole point and are taking this all as something it’s not.
And Tim and Jon are TrafficWave members (as am I and as are several TE Live regulars), if you weren’t aware. There’s nothing in Tim’s post or comments (or Jon’s) trashing TrafficWave at all).
Now you’re sending out mail to your subscribers claiming you’ve been accused of racketeering (you weren’t), that Tim has accused Brian of running a pyramid scheme (he didn’t), and that they are trashing TrafficWave (seeing as how Tim and Jon are both my upline sponsors in TrafficWave, I’m pretty sure we all like TrafficWave just fine).
Get your facts straight and actually READ the post again before jumping to screaming about things that were NEVER said, mayhaps?
Hi Tim, this is a great post and something that needed to be addressed. In my opinion teams in general do not work, they are only good for the people who start it and maybe a few levels down but that’s it. Been there, done that – it didn’t work!
You have to learn the tools of your trade and work for YOU not somebody else because YOU are the only one you can really trust. Hope that doesn’t sound too jaded. Just my opinion.
There is nothing wrong with Traffic Wave, sad part is that people are too worried about the income and not the service.
I do agree, some of the features of Traffic Wave need to be improved but as for delivery, it’s top notch (needs to speed it up though)…
Here’s the thing, I see Rusty made it in here, this is basically the same thing as a cycler / randomizer (anyone remember those from a few years ago)….
The problem is not that the system doesnt work, the problem is what happens when the well runs dry and trust me, the well runs dry very quickly in the IM world.
I like seeing the idea of teams and all, but the problem is people will jump at an opportunity and get bit by the hype before doing their due diligence.
Again, nothing wrong with how Traffic Wave is set up. I’m a member and think Brian is one of the best people in this business…
The problem is promises of glory without doing any work. This may look great right now, but be warned…
We’ll see how it goes in a few months from now. =(
LOL the only people that “teams” do not work for are for those who expect to get paid by doing absolutely NOTHING. These are the people that I see complaining the most. I used to be the kind of person that thought that there aren’t enough people in the world to help build a down line, until I joined “OceanSwell”. I was never promised instant riches, I was given the tools to become successful with a “lot” of work! So what I’m hearing from StartXchange and IloveHits is that we should not promote there because there aren’t enough people there to see our ads. Well that’s very discouraging for any new business.
Exactly. Which is why the teams that make a promise should be careful how they word it. There will be tons of people who will jump on that promise and expect it without doing anything. OceanSwell isn’t the only team out there ;-)
People are told very clearly that their personal links are tracked and if they do nothing they don’t get into the rotator. There are no free rides here Tim
Ya that’s exactly what I’m saying.
Come on. Read the post.
It’s called a debate and people are allowed to have different opinions.
And before you start throwing daggers at my business, maybe look at other posts I made about the topic.
Like I said…We will see.
Oh about the new members.. The problem is when there is a promise of X people under you. It’s a mulitplication effect. The team starts at 1, that requires 5, which then require 25 which then require 125 which then require 625 which then require 3125, then 15625, then 78125 then 390625..
So it might take a really long time before it starts slowing down, but at some point it will because each person is told they’ll get 5 in their downline.
At least how it works for me… There’s not one central organization that handles the entire thousands of people. There are many subteams that handle manageable numbers. When my downline reaches a certain point, they have their own subteam and on down the line. I don’t have to worry about every single person in the group. But I do try to keep track of people so I can help where I can. I don’t mind kicking in a signup to anyone wherever they are in the group. But that’s just me. Everyone do can do what they want as long as it’s legal.
Example: Nothing to do with teams really but just a principle. I just found out yesterday that the guy who sold me one of the traffic exchanges I use, “stole” the script. So, even though it’s going to cause a big hassle, I’m changing hosts and scripts and causing chaos with the users because I can’t do business with that dude now that I know. So, if you believe there’s something not right with the team you’re working with… investigate, ask questions and if it’s true, change teams. It’s that simple.
Good Day to One and All.
Jim
I think every splash or squeeze page on the Internet promises some kind of dream income or hyped up claim. It’s what’s on the other side of the splash page the counts. For example, If I promote StartXchange as free advertising to 73,606 members, is that not false advertising when only 200 or 300 members are there at a time?
Or, when I promote GDI saying you can make $3,907 a month with a $10 investment … is that misleading, or a true statement?
Now, our TW teams are looking for people first – sign up for more information – this is what we do and if you are interested, continue … isn’t that the way double opt-in autoresponder marketing is supposed to work? That’s what we teach and if someone doesn’t learn it, whose to blame for that?
I have people on my GDI downline for 4 years, they do absolutely nothing I repeatedly shown them because I’ve written 6 ebooks explaining what I do, and they still SIT THERE and complain nothing is happening! Yeah, nothing is happening from them!
By the way, Rusty and I work very close together!
Oh absolutely. I don’t think this is a thread about the team aspect. I think teams and putting people first is HUGE and something we should all do in our businesses.
The problem I think is that it’s going to get harder and harder to fulfill the promise of 5 people in your downline, guaranteed.
And what happens is that once people dont get what they are promised…Well, LOL All hell breaks loose.
I think of it this way … when I promote for my traffic wave team on a rotator, through traffic waves holding tank I can place sign-ups anywhere and everywhere. Saying I will run out of prospects and people to put in downlines, is like saying that all the prospects joining ILoveHits and StartXchange will dry up, too … because where do you think we are finding our team mates? I believe you’ve had 274 new members this past week!
I can build a downline as wide as the universe, but if it doesn’t go down and have people below me duplicating the same thing, nothing will ever happen. We teach to build a true downline … so many across, then take it down … that’s all we’re doing.
Got a point, there is always new people coming online.
Ya, I guess we’ll see. I hope it goes well for you guys cause the whole message of a team is a good one.
Work together, good things happen.
Hmm, interesting stuff, but I wonder at a couple of things- As a few pointed out, but mostly Tim and John, the problem is not the team, or the promotion, it’s the promise of something.
I have a big problem with saying I promise to do this or promise to do that for you- I merged my own team because of the logistics I saw coming. The idea is a good one, it is in the execution.
There has to be more to it than just, “earn with us”- teach something, share something, but never say, I am going to give you X. It’s always about timing. If you get in early, you win. if you don’t, you probably won’t. Give everyone a chance at winning and they stay. Give them no reason and they leave. It’s pretty simple math.
All marketing has some of it. “Buy my stuff and it will make you a marketing pro!” – Sure it will, Got any bridges to go with it?
Marketing is about getting people to listen to you. Screw it up and they never will again. Maybe people just got tired of trying their luck selling ebooks and programs. Teams aren’t perfect, but they give you a sense of purpose and if the admin is good, can give you a direction to something bigger and better. Earle
The only time you should have a problem in promising anything is if you intend to be dishonest in the first place. Haven’t most people bought into the infomercials in the middle of the night promising to change or enhance your life? Once you get it home you realize that you still have to do something, so you throw it in the closet and your life stays the same then you complain about it. If only you had followed the instructions. The chance of winning are the tools given to you. But again you MUST DO SOMETHING! You can’t expect to win by doing NOTHING!
Well an honest person can make a pyramid scheme without intending it to be a “scheme”. There are tons of owners out there who launch new exchanges with good intentions on giving out tons of credits to members, not realizing if they give out too much the exchange will die off.
The point of this post wasn’t to call anyone out, but to get people talking and thinking about the concept. Are you in it to be on a team, or are you in it because you want quick riches?
Yeah exactly, it’s the promise. Making it a goal for each person to have 10 people to reach Tsunami or what not wouldn’t be an issue. Because there you are saying hey we’ll help you, not we’ll give you this.
I love the team work. I have been online for quite some time and I would have expected a posting like that from a newbie may be but that a known marketer is writing about something he apparently seems to have no experience with or knowledge of…
I joined through a recommendation of an online friend who had received her 5 Trafficwave downline members at that time with the help of a team. When I joined I was NEVER made a false promise. I was told that as a member of the team I was expected to advertise and that I will receive my 5 once it is my turn to receive. I know that this does NOT happen overnight.
I am given updates on a regular basis. I see the forum posts about members having received their 5 (or 6 with a GDI TEAM). I see the members going through the rotators. I see the statistics.
I am happy to know that my downline members will be actively advertising as well and that they will receive their 5 too. I am happy to have found Rusty’s Team Oceanswell and that finally after my third attempt I will have a growing Trafficwave downline.
I’m not saying every team is doing false promises. Some are, some aren’t. Some are inferring others are and that they are the real deal. (which could just be a disgruntled person who is making a false claim to get people in their team).
Either way, what’s wrong with getting people thinking about it and talking about it? If it’s a legit program then wouldn’t mentioning the teams get more people joining them?
I just want to add my two cents. I joined GDI in 2008. Over a year I built a downline of over 50 people. I was in profit for the first time in my internet experience. I didn’t have marketing knowledge. I would have been building a long time.
I discovered a team, quit GDI, lost my downline. But in the two months after joining a GDI team I have had more than 20 people placed under me. Each of them are getting people because of the team effort.
I am saying this because a team working together is not worse than an individual putting up confirm windows fishing for your email address so they can slam you with all their offers, most of which don’t work anyway.
So before you judge a team effort look at what this so called businees of internet marketing has become. So many people charge much more and make false promises then in joining a team to promote GDI or Traffic Wave as a group effort. Traffic Wave is a affiliate program and the Guru’s promote it for a stream of income.
The power of one is a nightmare. Imagine going to work and being the only person there. It would get old quick. We need people to build relationships. How many so-called Gurus do any of you know? How many ordinary people are sucked in by their promises only to get frustrated and fail?
Not everyone who has a team rotator has ulterior motives. Our group certainly doesn’t. Granted, not everyone is going to work, but they are the same ones who blame systems for failing. Systems don’t fail, people fail to work them.
I don’t worry about not having my calls to my upline not being answered. They are all responsive and encouraging. I’ll take this group any day as opposed to going it alone!
I just want to add my two cents. I joined GDI in 2008. Over a year I built a downline of over 50 people. I was in profit for the first time in my internet experience. I didn’t have marketing knowledge. I would have been building a long time.
I discovered a team, quit GDI, lost my downline. But in the two months after joining a GDI team I have had more than 20 people placed under me. Each of them are getting people because of the team effort.
I am saying this because a team working together is not worse than an individual putting up confirm windows fishing for your email address so they can slam you with all their offers, most of which don’t work anyway.
So before you judge a team effort look at what this so called businees of internet marketing has become. So many people charge much more and make false promises then in joining a team to promote GDI or Traffic Wave as a group effort. Traffic Wave is a affiliate program and the Guru’s promote it for a stream of income. Why shouldn’t the teams?
The power of one is a nightmare. Imagine going to work and being the only person there. It would get old quick. We need people to build relationships. How many so-called Gurus do any of you know? How many ordinary people are sucked in by their promises only to get frustrated and fail?
Not everyone who has a team rotator has ulterior motives. Our group certainly doesn’t. Granted, not everyone is going to work, but they are the same ones who blame systems for failing. Systems don’t fail, people fail to work them.
I don’t worry about not having my calls to my upline not being answered. They are all responsive and encouraging. I’ll take this group any day as opposed to going it alone!
hahahaha…lolll…what did i say about duplicating? mister gaylords words are worth 4 cents now, i am just kidding..dont stress out, my words are worth nothing unless i know for sure that someone reads it…:P
If i may give my 4 cent opinion about this, its all about duplicating..:P
If you should join a team or not is up to you folks but if you are openminded about everything at the internet than i think you will apreciate this to. If you join a team than there is no way that you can check out if this team really excist, a real good programmer can make a thousand mailadresses in a few hours, those mailadresses cant be tracked down because they can be made with a rotating IP adress, that same programmer can send you once in a while a mail with a positive message that you are doing well, your uplunk is earning or your downlink is growing…yay great but its still the same person and you dont know that. Than he starts to pay you lets say 600 dollar the first month, the second month you get 1200 dollar (these are not facts, just made up figures) and you stay in the impression that you are dealing with a whole team, the 3 month you get 1800 dollar at your paypal, its still cheaper than making advertisment at television or billboards next to the highway, if he does it with lets say 100 people than it costs him 180.000 dollar a month and its still cheaper than televisionadvertisment.The whole idea behind this story is that he gets 100 people so far that they start to advertise his “”products”" and suddenly a team excist, your downlink is growing but its still the same programmer who makes this emailadresses and is putting the teammembers beneath you but you dont know that. I am not a profi and i am still learning about lots of stuff at the internet but one thing is for sure to me, you have to stay openminded and look at every angle of the business you step in. Nothing is what it seems to be at the internet.
No one promise how much you’ll make in ANY business. There are too many variables.
But if you post that you can make, say, $9330 month by completing a matrix. What’s wrong with that? That’s the mathematical result of the payment plan. You just can’t PROMISE that. And you can’t promise how LONG it will take. Donald Trump could do it in about 10 minutes. He’d just call his friends and he’d have 10 matrixes filled before the hour was over. It takes most us a little longer. :) Just say something like “this is what’s possible when you follow these steps..” Mathematics are a certainty. Human nature ain’t so predictable.
Good Day to One and All
Jim
Wow! Best blog post in a long time – look at all that activity. Folks are actually saying what’s been on everyone’s [well... many of us] mind!
Great thread.
Aha! You got it, kid! There’s a method to Tim’s madness! Look at all the activity! AH HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! (maniacal laughter)
Good Day to One and All
Jim
The discussion is moot to those of us who think of Traffic Wave as an autoresponder you teach people how to effectively use.
Thinking of Traffic Wave merely as another business opportunity is severely limiting your income.
Using Traffic Wave as an autoresponder is how build multiple streams on auto-pilot. That’s where the money is.
Hello all,
Im just a newbie and i just want to share a piece of my mind…
I joined traffic wave though team oceanswell from a friend.. he never promised me I’d get 5 referrals in a day. The team thing worked for me, I also use the autoresponder.
I’ve been into so many mlm already, amway, foreverliving, and the list goes on… being a newbie in online earning this is the first team I have joined online and it worked for me.
I think there is nothing wrong with the concept of having a team, and the promise of helping team members build their downlines, I use the products and also benefit from from the team effort. I would not have made it here if it weren’t for the team. My earnings may be not that much but at least I am getting something, compared to if i buy an ebook and promote it and not get any sale from it at all or pay upgrade in other online programs where its hard to promote and cannot make others join and upgrade.
If I am asked how long does it takes to get 5 refs, I honestly say I cannot tell how long or how short, some have gotten theirs in a short time, others have waited… that is up to the person to stay or to quit.
I’m still learning, and I know there are a lot to learn, but I just hope that those guys that are earning already, would just give us newbie some hope and help that we too can earn well online. The team worked, there is a product, the matrix is another way of earning, what’s wrong with that?
If there are other programs out there that has a good potential earning, I would still prefer joining it from a team rather than working for it alone or join it from an unknown upline who would not even bother to reply emails from downlines.
Btw, I promote the team ads, and I also promote my own link.
That’s all, and have a nice day. :)
I’m goin to keep this simple. I am in Team OceanSwell. I have 9 people in my downline so far. We have already got my first referral 2 of his promised 5 in a month.
When we exit ther rotator we keep promoting the team links. We are building a downline the same way as we would in Start Xchange.
TrafficWave encourages building a team through it’s matrix buster and Toan advantage. Everyone needs an auto-responder and we don’t pay to use it, we get paid for using it.
Pete Seal
Team OceanSwell
Simply put if you are not a team player go it alone and see how far you get. If you want to join Team OceanSwell you are told you have to get a TrafficWave account and pay for it.
Hello Tim, i have worked alone for 2 months, promoting RQ and got 10 free and 1 paid referrals. When i joined 10kTeam (Jason Wise), i got 2 paid referrals for just 2 weeks…
So i think it’s good to be in a team, but still need to promote your referral URL. This way you split your web traffic, but this is o.k. for me…
Be well
Ivan Golemdzhiyski
Hi Tim,
Great Topic!! Just look at all the comments!! I have to say that Team Atlantis works for me, it took 32 days to get to the top spot in the rotator and about 3 days to get my five sign ups…I Could now make my own team but I haven’t the time that is necessary to stay on top of the people signing up…so I will stay on Team Atlantis…Advertise the Team pages as well as my own and any people I sign up directly can also be placed on the rotator as long as they activate their TrafficWave account and promise to promote the team pages…we have a minimum number of ad hits(200/day or 1400/week). This is Tracked(through TrafficWave of course) anyone not meeting the minimum without a Good Reason is Passed Up on the rotator until they meet the min.
In my opinion all businesses are in some small way a pyramid scheme…Only the Owner makes more than a Paycheck to be lived on week to week or month to month…
Like I said…Just My Opinion…LOL
In my opinion all businesses are pyramid but not all businesses are pyramid schemes, i saw in this blog a link from Gloria with a explanation what a pyramid scheme is. Ofcourse because of the disclaimer in that article i dont know that explanation is 100% truth. I have copyed that link and place it again for anyone who wants to read it again. I live in the netherlands and the people in this country are very against pyramid schemes or anything that has something to do with “”pyramid”". That has something to do with a German lawbreaker who invented the pyramid game.
http://www.sec.gov/answers/pyramid.htm
A half year ago i started to investigate everything that i could find at the internet and i logged into more than one team, i can say honestly that there are a lot of honest teams outthere because at a certain time after i got several mails from them i got messages that they would quit with taking people in because the profits were to small for everyone. This is one of the things how you can see if a teamleader is honest and knows when to stop placing people in their downlines. When you look at my website you will think..Who is this guy? his website is not finished…and so on…but you can take from me that knowledge is the most important thing you can have in reallife and at the internet before you start any business, just investigate evrything..:)
Well Guys, I’m so glad you’re talking about those 2 companies.
It seems that there is no other company in the Internet World.
I’m part of those companies I love the products I use the products.
I’m also a proud member of TWN- OceanSwell and GDI Fast Track Team.
Those teams were never advertised as a Get Rich Quick Scheme and never will be.
I strongly suggest each one of you to take a look inside of our program.
Those companies offer a free trial and our team do not charge anything.
If you are read to give it a try, you are welcome.
The elephant in the room here that no one seems to acknowledge is that filling a large matrix is impossible. Not theoretically impossible granted, but practically it is impossible.
I know most of us who have thought about it acknowledge that we don’t need to FILL a matrix to make money, but look at Joe Newbie who signs up to a team in Traffic Wave that promises him $3000 a month.
Joe is going to have to get 5 personals and they are going to have to help him fill down 7 levels to build his organisation to over 3000 members. … And hope those people at the end of the lines who are not making money , don’t suddenly quit.
All promoters of programs can only show the ‘ideal’ picture to show how it works ‘if everyone does the same’. But the ‘ideal’ is never the reality.
The often quoted ‘average’ recruiter gets 2.7 is a statistical average (it may also be an urban myth perpetuated by the industry, who knows?) but in reality a few will recruit thousands and the majority will recruit none! Those non recruiters will be at the ends of your lines and will cause your organisation to implode (but of course you will be continually recruiting to replace them!)
Sounds more like a life-time job than a passive income source!
Maybe it would be wise to rethink some of the stuff you are trying to convince your recruits about?
If you want to stop being a victim find out more at my website
WHY are we hardly seeing any ads from the OceanSwell teams any more?
Well I am very very late but it was worth reading this so far back I am often near the beginning.
A good selection of opinions. The last GDI team I joined went wrong because our team leader got thrown out buy his wife and was off line for weeks.
He had no one organised to take over and I got left out in the dark on my own for weeks . They can go wrong for a miriad of reasons mostly poor organisation and just running out of steam.
Been on a new business social
network this week and I am finding out how it is done (those who do well at the top I mean) all I ever recruit are dead beats so I may well make it yet I wont let them beat me.
Thanks for an interesting post Tim and some very interesting comments.
Sorry so late my in box got nobbled and I cant get rid of the e-mails 3000 at the moment and coming in faster than I can delete. I may yet have to abandon it and get another one.
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