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		<title>By: Max Ziegler</title>
		<link>http://www.timlinden.com/blog/traffic-exchanges/the-big-bad-tim-linden/#comment-49299</link>
		<dc:creator>Max Ziegler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2009 17:15:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(reply to an inquiry of mine based upon this blog)

Tim Linden is making a complaint… anyone can complain.  That’s not what Can-Spam is about.

 I was one of the early (pre signage) advocates of Can-Spam, and stay up to date on it.

 

LEGALLY: If you are asking about the actual law, all UCE must contain an opt-out link.  However, a weekly newsletter is not “unsolicited”… it is a requirement of membership.  Remember that sending a message to someone with whom you have a relationship (such as someone who joined your site) is NOT spam.  Example: If you buy a ticket from ticketmaster online, you agree to their terms, and they can not only email you, but can sell your email to their advertising partners.  That’s not spam, but their partners have to have an opt-out link, or it is spam.

 

The thing you saw in (--edited) is the ability to not get emails from your upline… your referrer and their referrers.  That has nothing to do with the weekly statistical email.  The default agreement on (--edited) sites is that the subscriber/joiner must supply a valid email address and agree to receive a weekly statistical email.

 

There are practical (non technical) reasons for this… :

1 - If they don’t/can’t receive email, how can you tell them a site has been rejected? 

2 - Also, you can get marked by email providers for constantly sending to a bad email address. 

3 – If they buy something, it’s possible you won’t know who bought it if their email addresses don’t match up.

4 – As a vendor, how will you communicate to them things they can buy?  Some members rarely log in.

 

That is why at ------ sites, you can only opt out of system mail by closing your account…. The email is part of the membership requirements.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(reply to an inquiry of mine based upon this blog)</p>
<p>Tim Linden is making a complaint… anyone can complain.  That’s not what Can-Spam is about.</p>
<p> I was one of the early (pre signage) advocates of Can-Spam, and stay up to date on it.</p>
<p>LEGALLY: If you are asking about the actual law, all UCE must contain an opt-out link.  However, a weekly newsletter is not “unsolicited”… it is a requirement of membership.  Remember that sending a message to someone with whom you have a relationship (such as someone who joined your site) is NOT spam.  Example: If you buy a ticket from ticketmaster online, you agree to their terms, and they can not only email you, but can sell your email to their advertising partners.  That’s not spam, but their partners have to have an opt-out link, or it is spam.</p>
<p>The thing you saw in (--edited) is the ability to not get emails from your upline… your referrer and their referrers.  That has nothing to do with the weekly statistical email.  The default agreement on (--edited) sites is that the subscriber/joiner must supply a valid email address and agree to receive a weekly statistical email.</p>
<p>There are practical (non technical) reasons for this… :</p>
<p>1 - If they don’t/can’t receive email, how can you tell them a site has been rejected? </p>
<p>2 - Also, you can get marked by email providers for constantly sending to a bad email address. </p>
<p>3 – If they buy something, it’s possible you won’t know who bought it if their email addresses don’t match up.</p>
<p>4 – As a vendor, how will you communicate to them things they can buy?  Some members rarely log in.</p>
<p>That is why at ------ sites, you can only opt out of system mail by closing your account…. The email is part of the membership requirements.</p>
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		<title>By: Sherwood</title>
		<link>http://www.timlinden.com/blog/traffic-exchanges/the-big-bad-tim-linden/#comment-49274</link>
		<dc:creator>Sherwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jan 2009 21:23:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Tim,

I have two comments. 

One about the question just asked; Do you think its wise for exchange owners to offer free memberships to get people to sign up?

I would not have signed up for any TE if it were not for the free membership. Many of the TE&#039;s that I join, I upgrade. It is a few that I don&#039;t upgrade, mostly due to a shortage of funds. But even with that, I usually see something I buy from the TE owner or one of it&#039;s members.

As for the number of emails, how many is enough and how many are too much. I don&#039;t keep count of how many I get. I read and respond or read and delete. And sometimes if the headline don&#039;t seem interesting, I just delete.

BTW, I read all the emails from SX as they are usually something I can use right away. 

Note: If you can find an expert that can write in such a way that everyone know exactly what you mean, Let me know. I have research language for years, and no one seem to know what I say most of the time and disagree even when they do know. LOL

Thanks
Sherwood 
a.k.a. topflight at SX</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Tim,</p>
<p>I have two comments. </p>
<p>One about the question just asked; Do you think its wise for exchange owners to offer free memberships to get people to sign up?</p>
<p>I would not have signed up for any TE if it were not for the free membership. Many of the TE's that I join, I upgrade. It is a few that I don't upgrade, mostly due to a shortage of funds. But even with that, I usually see something I buy from the TE owner or one of it's members.</p>
<p>As for the number of emails, how many is enough and how many are too much. I don't keep count of how many I get. I read and respond or read and delete. And sometimes if the headline don't seem interesting, I just delete.</p>
<p>BTW, I read all the emails from SX as they are usually something I can use right away. </p>
<p>Note: If you can find an expert that can write in such a way that everyone know exactly what you mean, Let me know. I have research language for years, and no one seem to know what I say most of the time and disagree even when they do know. LOL</p>
<p>Thanks<br />
Sherwood<br />
a.k.a. topflight at SX</p>
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		<title>By: john b</title>
		<link>http://www.timlinden.com/blog/traffic-exchanges/the-big-bad-tim-linden/#comment-49272</link>
		<dc:creator>john b</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jan 2009 18:19:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey tim,

I have a question about T.E.&#039;s in general if you have time i would love to hear your thoughts. 

Do you think its wise for exchange owners to offer free memberships to get people to sign up?

Hope to hear from you...

Thanks,

John B.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey tim,</p>
<p>I have a question about T.E.'s in general if you have time i would love to hear your thoughts. </p>
<p>Do you think its wise for exchange owners to offer free memberships to get people to sign up?</p>
<p>Hope to hear from you...</p>
<p>Thanks,</p>
<p>John B.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
		<link>http://www.timlinden.com/blog/traffic-exchanges/the-big-bad-tim-linden/#comment-49270</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jan 2009 17:11:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great!</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
		<link>http://www.timlinden.com/blog/traffic-exchanges/the-big-bad-tim-linden/#comment-49269</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jan 2009 17:09:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes I agree as well. I&#039;m not back tracking on the being compliant, I just think some of my wording caused some people to react harsher than anticipated. It needs to get fixed, but it&#039;s not like those owners are purposely not having the links.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes I agree as well. I'm not back tracking on the being compliant, I just think some of my wording caused some people to react harsher than anticipated. It needs to get fixed, but it's not like those owners are purposely not having the links.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
		<link>http://www.timlinden.com/blog/traffic-exchanges/the-big-bad-tim-linden/#comment-49268</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jan 2009 17:05:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Support tickets would be transactional. CAN-SPAM is more for mass / commercial emails ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Support tickets would be transactional. CAN-SPAM is more for mass / commercial emails ;-)</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Kinder</title>
		<link>http://www.timlinden.com/blog/traffic-exchanges/the-big-bad-tim-linden/#comment-49267</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Kinder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jan 2009 12:56:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.timlinden.com/blog/?p=1307#comment-49267</guid>
		<description>I agree Robert, nothing at all wrong with multiple emails daily. I usually send 5-6 emails a week myself but I see no reason an owner shouldn&#039;t send more if that&#039;s the service they wish to provide. 

I saw a couple people complaining here that they&#039;re getting numerous emails a day from exchange owners. I&#039;ve seen this mentioned several times recently. 

My point in response was that these people are complaining about 1 or 2 owners. Not the majority, or even a significant minority. Just one or two. 

Anybody who doesn&#039;t want that service can easily unsubscribe instead of complaining about an issue that is not anywhere near as widespread as they apear to be claiming.

There is plenty of choice here in TE World.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree Robert, nothing at all wrong with multiple emails daily. I usually send 5-6 emails a week myself but I see no reason an owner shouldn't send more if that's the service they wish to provide. </p>
<p>I saw a couple people complaining here that they're getting numerous emails a day from exchange owners. I've seen this mentioned several times recently. </p>
<p>My point in response was that these people are complaining about 1 or 2 owners. Not the majority, or even a significant minority. Just one or two. </p>
<p>Anybody who doesn't want that service can easily unsubscribe instead of complaining about an issue that is not anywhere near as widespread as they apear to be claiming.</p>
<p>There is plenty of choice here in TE World.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean Supplee</title>
		<link>http://www.timlinden.com/blog/traffic-exchanges/the-big-bad-tim-linden/#comment-49266</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean Supplee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jan 2009 07:02:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Tim,
   Picked up the mod yesterday and have it installed now. Also added in my detailed information. Believe this now holds true to the CAN SPAM rules. Thanks for the advanced warning.
Sean Supplee
visitmaniac.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Tim,<br />
   Picked up the mod yesterday and have it installed now. Also added in my detailed information. Believe this now holds true to the CAN SPAM rules. Thanks for the advanced warning.<br />
Sean Supplee<br />
visitmaniac.com</p>
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		<title>By: Install Website Scripts Videos</title>
		<link>http://www.timlinden.com/blog/traffic-exchanges/the-big-bad-tim-linden/#comment-49263</link>
		<dc:creator>Install Website Scripts Videos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jan 2009 04:26:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you so much for bringing this up with a bang.  I really do think there should be a one click delete method for ANY list that you run.  Logging in to delete your email is just too mcuh since many times a user wont even remember his/her password.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you so much for bringing this up with a bang.  I really do think there should be a one click delete method for ANY list that you run.  Logging in to delete your email is just too mcuh since many times a user wont even remember his/her password.</p>
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		<title>By: Muhammad</title>
		<link>http://www.timlinden.com/blog/traffic-exchanges/the-big-bad-tim-linden/#comment-49262</link>
		<dc:creator>Muhammad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jan 2009 03:02:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>is it free to register, and how about google adsense receipt it</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>is it free to register, and how about google adsense receipt it</p>
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