The Big Bad List
Well a pet peeve of mine is bulk emails without an unsubscribe link. I’ve mentioned it a few times on the blog, I’ve spoke about it in the Affiliate Funnel conference, and now I’m making a list. This list is traffic exchanges that have sent me mail in the last 24 hours or so without proper unsubscribe links:
- easysurfexchange.com
- hit2hit.com
- etrafficfreedom.com
- fasteasytraffic.com x2
- trafficpro-x.com
- traffictaxis.com x3
- diamond-surf.com
- rainforestclicks.com
- trafficshowdown.com x2
- mythologysurf.com
- trafficwonderland.com x2
- soaring4traffic.com
- blue-surf.com
- visitmaniac.com
- trafficmuscles.com*
- gladiatorhits.com
- onlinebusinesstraffic.com x2
- lords-of-traffic.com
- whirlwindtraffic.com
- roadrunnersurf.com
*Traffic Muscles made an attempt. It looks like the unsubscribe link is using the wrong template tags. So it’s listed here for completeness but it’s clear an attempt is being made.
So there you have it. That’s the list I have from just the past 24 hours (as of writing this). 20 different exchanges. I’m going to contact each of the exchanges, let them know I’m making this post. Sometime in the future I’ll do this again, and if they are on the list then well we can all comment on it. I’ll be sure to list any of the above 20 that have improved their ways as well.
The goal here isn’t to call any one person out, but to bring awareness to the issue. It’s widespread, and it’s like a disease. It needs to stop, because it affects the reputation of the entire industry.
Wow #1!
Tim,
I am aware of this, and I am working on changing my mailer to another program. This should be done shortly, as I want to be compliant. I have done everything else that I can but I am working on this last piece. I *should* be off your list shortly!
Robin
easysurfexchange.com
I know!
Tried to do it myself, I couldn’t fix it :(( tried to get a programmer ….
couldn’t find any by the way there more things that need to be done lol so….
If any of the programmers I know well out there is willing to fix it for me please let me know! You know how to reach me :D
Thank you :D
Franscisca
http://hit2hit.com
Hey Tim,
Thanks for the heads up and I now have to get a programmer like Francisca to get the unsubscribe link.
I have added my address but if I see any more people peeking in my windows I will be ticked off:)
Hopefully I can be off the naughty list this week and back on the nice list….
Dan Davis
3002 SW Indian Pl
Redmond, OR 97756
Hey Tim,
Was actually unaware of this issue had a few contact me manually to be removed and was done so. Working on replacing the link in the email and should have it fixed later today.
Sean Supplee
HI
I dont see the big problem here. At lot, members can choose the option on not get the pm notifications.
About newsletters and updates, i think i add my website link at the bottom everytime. They can login to their account and delete it if they dont want to get more emails.
The problem is those exchanges that send out offers to their members almost everyday that make some people angry.
But how many emails a week is acceptable for members to receive?
Many of us are a member of maybe 50 exchanges and more and with all the updates and offers that is sent out, it can maybe be irritating for some. But when you are joining many sites, then you get many emails-)
Kjell
Kjell, the problem is CAN-SPAM is law, and asking people to login to delete their account is not following the law.
Way 2 Go Tim!!
You tell ‘em. ;-)
we appreciate you looking out for our overloaded email boxes.
However, i must admit, the original list you put up was a little disheartening. Some of them were some of my favorites TE’s. Hope they can get it together. We definitely should have the option not to receive ads or lose our acct.
Have a Great Day!
Becca
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thanks Tim for bringing this to the forefront. I for one have started using only exchanges where I don’t have to cancel membership to stop getting 4-5 updates per day. Thanks again, maybe it will soon be tolerable for me to rejoin more exchanges.
Hi Lance
I’m truly curious.
You used exchanges in the plural.
I mentioned below that I only know of one exchange that sends multiple updates daily. 2-3 is their norm.
Which others did you get all these emails from?
I hate missing out :-)
I don’t mind getting one email per week per exchange, but i hate having to delete my a/c alltogether especially if i have built a downline.
I cope with emails from all those exchanges by setting up email filters for each one, but then again i like to spy on the competition for ideas.
= )
To send an update for the program that the member have joined, is not spamming.
Spamming is when they get offers and they have no chance to remove from the program.
I get more complaints from members that not receive the updates-)
Have never been a problem so dont understand why we should make it a problem now.
Also when they join, they agree to receive emails from admin.
And the reputation of the industry is much more harmed by other issues then members get some emails they dont like
Kjell
“Have never been a problem so dont understand why we should make it a problem now.”
The comment above is exactly what can be expected from Kjell. This attitude is the norm.
My comment is, Kjell, Tim is NOT responsible for “making this problem”, he is simply commenting on a problem that many of us have to deal with everyday.
Frankly, Those that send me over 3 emails a week get sent to spam, never to be seen again. The owners are shooting themselves in the foot by not respecting the law and the wishes of those that support them.
Linda
[sarcasm]Yes Kjell, they agree to receive emails from admin when they join, but it’s a GOOD thing to make it DIFFICULT for them to get off the email list?[/sarcasm]
CAN-SPAM isn’t a law for spammers, it’s a law for email.
Dang Tim. Just downsize the number of exchanges you use. I did. With the exception of 2 or 3, do you really need to be a member of all those? I deleted my account at some of the worst offenders. I don’t miss them at all. You probably cannot unsubscribe without deleting your account. That is something exchange owners should alter just a bit.
Stephen is right about not being able to unsubscribe without deleting your account,I receive quite a few from a few different sites tha have that added at the bottom.
The delete your account at the bottom is actually put there by the script and is right now, the only way that script functions. So it really is a matter of the script maker themself changing that, or owners getting their own programmer to alter the code….
Just an fyi that is is what owners purchased… we need to deal with that fact and will take some time. Hopefully sooner than later.
Ken
Ken is correct – it’s in the scripts themselves, which is why it’s such a widespread problem, and why so many people don’t care. But I’m tired of shrugging things off and letting things slide, I’m raising the bar!
Tim,
Thank you for the info i did not know this so it’s good I’m not doing a news letter yet :).
I was just looking at some of the TE’s I’m on and most do not have the link you have mentioned i do see some say if you do not want this latter anymore you need to delete your account. this dose not seam right to me. Why should they need to delete there account ?
Jolen
Hi Jolen
The “delete your membership” link is a feature of every traffic exchange script on the market.
If members are forced to find their login details to delete and unsubscribe that means they are not compliant.
If the delete and unsubscribe links are made “oneclick” (with no need to find your login details) then that is compliant.
Hope that helps
Happy Splashing!
Paul
I knew yesterday, as soon as I hit send – that I forgot to add the link!
Damn it!
Since we talked about this Tim – I have been really good remembering to do it every time – but you got me! I confess….lolz
I have been using the .com/delete.php link at the bottom of each mail and also letting members know that they can contact me via admin and arrange to NOT recieve mail without deleting their accounts altogether.
I am one of very few that do not send offers to my list regularly – hardly at all really, I dont promote anything I havent used and found quality and benefit from.
Some say this is not smart marketing but…….I dont want to jump on every new thing that comes out – Im focused on my exchange and the one other program that I make good money from – thats enough for me!
The good thing is – no one has asked to be removed from my mailing list yet!…bonus!
Question – to be canspam compliant, am I also required to list a physical mailing addy on every mail?
Thanks for bringing this up – I want to do everything properly and make Traffic Showdown a real hit.
take care – Kym
Hi Kym
Yep, you are required to show a physical address.
If you take a look at your next Traffic-Splash, Start Xchange or any of the other super surf exchange emails you will see how to be compliant.
Hope that helps
Happy Splashing!
paul
LOL Kym I haven’t done that yet, but I suppose we should have it auto inserted so we don’t have a chance to forget? =P
Hello Tim,
Great idea publishing a list of TE offenders of the CAN SPAM law.
I just hate getting any kind of group mail that I have to “click, block and delete” to unsubscribe..
Thanks for sharing
James
Hmm…I think this is not the worst but I absolutely am baffled that there are sites that I can’t even find the delete account link. I mean if I don’t want to be a member at a particular site plus the emails they send, no way out!
At last, I created a filter in my gmail account and filter out the email.
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Hey Tim,
Great job on the bold post. My hats off to you, sir. To those on the list trying to make it right, I hope to see you off the list.
When you posted about this a little over a month ago Tim, I immediately took the steps necessary to be compliant. Wasn’t difficult… took less than an hour! If you use an autoresponder, members can opt out of your emails without deleting their account.
To Kjell, if I was a member of LOT I would delete my account in a heartbeat. you don’t deserve to operate a business if you don’t know/follow the laws to do so. Tim’s explanation of how to be compliant is not just a courtesy to your customers, it’s mandatory!
DA
I’m really surprised to see what I think to do some months ago…
I hadn’t courage to make a list of TE’s that doesn’t allow to Unsubscribe.
That’s a Nightmare for any honest user, and I’m happy to see it.
Thank you very much !
Alessandro
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Hi Tim,
What about automated system generated Weekly Account Stats? Do that require an Un-Subscribe link too?
After reading this post, I rewrote the membership terms so that members can opt to whether or not continue receiving Offers emails in the future.
But as for the system generated Weekly Account Stats, since I have no control over it, ( I’m a DIY webmaster with limited programming skills =p) I put it clearly that members have no choice but to delete their account if they want it to stop.
By the way, I am starting my own hits exchange and just finished uploading the scripts. Been working on it for about a year!
Rubby, the law makes provisions for “transactional” emails, but it’s kinda vaugue on what is or isn’t. But if you get certified by an email reputation company, they’ll require an unsubscribe link on *all* emails.
This is why you’ll no longer receive PM notification emails on StartXchange. The forum doesn’t have a link to stop them, so I disabled it until I could find a way to add that in.
Tim,
I agree, there needs to be some change. As you know the scripts only allow us to do so much. I have however modified OBTs signature file to reflect a much better, maybe not ideal, compliant verbiage and links.
Still testing it to see it’s functionality.
I think the biggest issue holding back our developer is the fact that not only is a member ending their emails, but also their membership…. There is a lot of chat over that in their development forums.
While I am here, if anyone has managed to get the LJ scripts to provide an “active” full link for removal, I would love to find out how it was done. I get a half active link which of course stinks….
Ken
That is the most annoying thing there is. Not just traffic exchanges do it. Some other folks do it as well.
Also what is up with the BS….
“It may take up to 48 hours to for you to be completely removed from our list”
Wow. It was automatic when I signed up. But not auto when I try to get removed.
No matter. I find the best way to get around those spammer tactics, is to just setup a filtering rule that automatically deletes the emails from that domain.
Works like a charm.
Dennis Grubbs
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Hey Dennis
That’s because email servers can hold your email for quite a while. There was a period of time where my emails to Yahoo took up to 4 days from the time I hit send, to the time it got to the inbox!
Another reason is some manually remove you rather than automatically.
Either way, the law gives you 10 days to process the unsubscribe, so while annoying if you get more, at least they are trying to get you off the list ;-)
Tim
My only complaint is what others have stated that why should we have to delete our account at a traffic exchange to stop receiving emails. Yes the emails with weekly stats or when we have a referral sign up are nice. But when you are receiving 3 or 4 emails a day from the same exchange selling something and no way to opt out then that is wrong.
I signed up at the exchange for a purpose and that purpose was not to have you try to sell me everything that comes along.
Can-Spam does not say anything about having to log in and delete an account. It is supposed to be one click on the link and you are off the list.
If you have to log in and delete your account to stop getting emails then the person who sent you the email is in violation of the Can-Spam law.
It is the law and thinking it is not a problem does not change it.
Also having in your TOS that the member agrees to receive emails does not mean you do not have to have the link in your email. You still have to give them the option to unsubscribe at the point they no longer want to receive your emails.
Okay I have been ornery enough time for be to be quite.
Bo Tipton
The Ornery Marketer
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Hey Bo,
I’m a little confused and wondering what I’m missing.
I keep reading about these multiple emails daily as though it is an industry-wide issue but I don’t get them :-(
I belong to over 200 exchanges and I have an inbox dedicated purely to TE emails. I don’t read every email any more but I see them all and archive them all twice daily.
TE’s are my sole livelihood so I’m extremely interested in what owners and surfers are saying and doing.
Despite this, I only know of one exchange that sends multiple emails regularly.
And I would guess there’s probably a second newer exchange doing it too(same owner) but I haven’t joined that one so I’m only guessing.
Are there a lot of newer smaller guys sending these emails from exchanges I haven’t joined yet?
As I say, I’ve seen this type of comment a few times recently so it got me wondering.
I really hate to think I’m missing something! :-)
LOL tho not as much as I hate missing a non-existent headsup in yahoo from a good mate.
On Jan 5 I received 4 emails from LOT. 2 “emails” and 2 “pm notifications” (from admin). And many days receiving 2. I know I’ve noticed others before, I’m just picking on Kjell since he’s already upset at me LOL
You can delete your account at lot if you get to many emails tim, you know how to delete the account there, right?-)
Kjell
Yes I know, but I don’t mind them. Just saying that I know some exchanges do send out more than 1 per day.
wow! cheers for the headsup re FET Tim. Was completely unaware. Guess I’m a Billynomates cos nobody yahoo’d me or anything. Must change my deodorant! LOL
Anyways, guess I ASSumed it was updated with new compliancy when we did Traffic-Splash but obviously not. My bad. Have Skyped Tim already.
FET uses the same server as Traffic-Splash and we can’t have that affecting our perfect 100% at Sender Score! ;-)
Anyway, no FETmail will be sent till the unsub message is changed. Simple as.
Frustrating though. We got a fantastic referral contest imminent but the law is the law and we won’t knowingly break or bend it. End of story.
I guess the world won’t stop if this takes us a day or three or ten to fix before we can mail again…
Probably! :-)
Sorry about that Paul, definitely should have..
This was a great idea, I see that you have made a lot of admins aware of this problem, and are affecting change in the community.
Jeers to that one dude, Kjell though. What site is he the admin of? He’d better be careful, after this post he may not have many surfers since he isn’t willing to change his ways.
The main concern is your members Kjell. If they don’t want to be inundated with bulletins about the next biggest thing all the time, they should be able to unsubscribe from that list without having to leave the exchange entirely. But enough people will see this, and enough people will get angry. Don’t change, and you will be the only one surfing at your site.
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WOW! You just caused me to upgrade at your site! Someone with some ‘kahunas’, lol.
I’m just getting ready to setup my first adXchange, so it’s great to get off to a correct start. I pretty much knew about this anyway, and it IS really irritating.
As far as finding a programmer, a simple search on Google produced
24,500,000 sites, so it shouldn’t be too difficult for these folks to find someone. Just do your homework, as with anything else, and read the person’s reviews, AND, don’t give them any money until you’ve approved the work they’ve done.
I’ve heard you can get some excellent programmers from India, and also Russia. Hope that helps! :)
I’ll be watching your blog now with ‘bated breath’, lol.
Happy Days everyone!
This is an awesome post as being a surfer and TE owner, I do not appreciate all the emails from TE’s – recommending the hottest new site to join. When I signed up to your exchange, I expected emails from you BUT only to inform me of what is NEW on YOUR exchange, only offers that YOU are offering on YOUR own exchange. I do agree it is nice to let me know when I get a referral as it does let me know that my hard work is working, BUT that is why a person surfs to join others sites – we are not on your site for you to send out emails pushing a new site on us. I, for one, do delete these emails and then surf the sites I belong to and if I see a new site that I want to join – I join from that persons ad. Isn’t that why we have a traffic exchange??? Just my two cents :)
Hey Tim, Pretty big list for only 24 hours, I only use 4 of the ones listed and 2 of them are if I don’t have any thing else to do. I think it’s great that
you care enough about the Business to make an attempt to fix the errors
from with-in. Good Luck, I hope your %s are higher than usual. Have A Wonderful Day, Timothy Millar
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This has always been a ongoing problem with the traffic exchanges! Kudos to Tim for putting the issue in print.
My former exchange was obviously in compliance because Bret just sent out a update in the last 24 hours and I always made sure Traffic Heroes was in compliance. Takes what ten minutes to write it and change it in the script so you are compliant?
Kjell always does things his way no matter how wrong he is. Paul Kinder said it best “law is the law and we won’t knowingly break or bend it. End of story.”
When i got your message from nme tim, there was no unsubscribe link on that email notification.
Are the rules different for forums?
Kjell
Well PM notifications are probably considered “transactional”. It’s hard to say though. Personally I have to stay on the above and beyond category to keep my mail server certified.
Note that the word transactional is not really defined well and many people interpret it differently.
The whole idea of the law is for bulk email. If you read it at the top it says that sending single emails you don’t have to send an unsubscribe link. So following that idea I’d say if you are mass PMing everyone, then those notifications really are bulk email.
Either way I’ve always wondered why forums don’t have links in those emails anyways.. You have the option in the forum control panel so it’s not mandatory, why not make it easier to change it when you get an email?
So you did spam me Tim?
Kjell
Wow Kjell you really got your goat in an uproar I’m going straight over to delete my LOT account and bells too.
I thought you were a better person than this!!!!!!!
Hey Kjell your deleted and you can keep my 5300 credits
Hi all!
It’s a delicate subject. I think the problem is that many traffic exchange owners mixed their personal lists with their traffic exchange newsletters/updates.
For ex. if i’ve subscribed to Tim Linden Blog, it’s ok if i receive additional offers. It’s his personal list. But i don’t like to receive these offers in his TE, Startxchange newsletter. This i consider spam. (It’s just an example, otherwise it’s not his case.)
So i think the TEs’ owners have to separate the newsletters/updates/news from their personal lists. That’s all!
I don’t want to remove my account by removing from any newsletter. Even this, the newsletter, it should be just an option, and not something “have to be”.
If i don’t want to receive any news/updates from that TE, it’s my option. Oh, if i miss many bonuses because i don’t want receiving news/updates, that’s my problem. If it’s something that we all the members have to know you can send us a notification.
So my opinion is if the TEs’ owners separate newsletters/updates from their personal lists no-one then can complain of spamming!
My friendly regards,
Erzsebet Kovacs
Great job Tim! I know about the CANSpam thing, but don’t have it in my emails yet. My programmer is in the hospital. As soon as he gets out, that stuff will be added to the emails I send.
Thanks Tim, and keep up the good work!
Carole
WOW Tim
Well Done , about time!
But will it change any thing? other than a few, TE owners fixing that portion of the over-all problem.
I have noticed in the last 2-3 months, TE owners , overwhelming thier own TE’s w/ thier own adds; which is fine when they do not have any paying members, waiting in line, for thier sites to be shown.
I personally witnessed 60 min. straight of a TE owner showing his site,with no other adds.
O K enough said ; may be start a new discussion.?
Dave
P S To have a place to vent, without, attacking anyone is great.
Wow! that’s a whole new ballgame David. I personally would quit that TE.
I you see that many of TE owners ads then it’s fairly pointless earning credits. You’re unlikely to get results because as soon as you assign your sites replace the owners and your credits disappear almost instantyl. Pretty much a pointless exercise.
This is one of the reason I created Surf Rewards actually. I surfed VERY heavily for months before taking on Traffic-Splash and I got sick of seeing the owners texts and banners constantly. And so, Surf Rewards were born.
I don’t even remember the last time I had banners or texts of my own in rotation! :-)
Not many url’s in rotation either actually. I do believe very very strongly (with statistcis to confirm it) that my emails create a marketing environment and improve response rates for members ads in the surfbar, but I don’t believe in taking traffic away from Splashers!
Very Interesting list of Bad Sits in your latest blog :) I know we are listed and I have used quite a few hours today to find a solution.
Many of the TE’s that you are mentioning is Walker scripts so of course this has now started a thread in the Ventrino Forum. Here is the link:
[url]http://forum.ventrino.com/index.php?showtopic=9879[/url]
So we’re on the roll to see if we can get this fixed :D
Just wanted to give you this link since there is a few things there that is being commenting about in the CAN-SPAM law. Like the fact that Traffic Exchanges are under “Transactional or Relational” and these are mostly exempt from the act. (There are some elements of the act that DO apply to mail from membership sites, but as things are now, Walker Scripts do comply).
Interesting discussion tho ;)
Maybe make another list next time with TE’s that is using their members as their own personal email-list ?? I am sure that list would have been longer. (I am not here talking about TE’s that is using an email service like Aweber or Getresponse because those TE’s asks their members to double opt-in so thats another matter :) ) But I am talking about TE’s that uses their newsletters to try and sell things to the members that became members to Exchange Traffic. After all that is what Traffic Exchanges is all about.
Monica
When members join lot, they agree to this!!
“As a member, you agree to receive discount offers, promotions and
informative updates from lords-of-traffic.com to all email
addresses on record.”
So how can they first agree to accept emails then accuse me for spam?
When some first agree on the terms, then they cant later suddenly disagree and accuse me for spamming when they agree to receive emails.
Maybe i am totally wrong here, but for me it sounds a bit weird.
Kjell Skogsoy
Nobody is accusing you of SPAM. The point is having a way to get OFF the list when they no longer want to receive it. If you give someone permission to drive your car, does that mean for the rest of their lives they can drive your car even if you change your mind later? They aren’t stealing it, because you gave permission to them that one time..
Its very easy to get off the list is most exchanges, delete the account from members area, cant understand how hard that is.
And its the spam law you are referring to in this topic, so it must mean we do something illegal.
First you send spam to lots of exchange owners, then you put the same owners on a big-bad-list?
Not sure what my car have to do with this,lool, will put that in my terms next time some borrow my car-)
That you start to post nasty comments when you are taken with your pants down, its nothing new.
Keep up the good work. i must go, have some “Spamming” to do-)
Kjell
OK Kjell, I mean you can do what you want with your exchange, but the response I’ve received from the majority of owners is that they want to be compliant but don’t have it setup yet.
‘The CAN-SPAM Act of 2003 (Controlling the Assault of Non-Solicited Pornography and Marketing Act) establishes requirements for those who send commercial email’
The whole point of following the rules is so you aren’t spamming because you do have permission to email.
My question is… When is this thread going to stop before it get’s way out of control? I know deep down that Tim wasn’t intentionally trying to hang anyone on the list out to dry. But this is definitely not a place for this discussion as it is already apparent that people are confused about what this thread is about, and truth be told it has no business being publicly displayed. I have a problem now with how my site is portrayed, because I work my ass of to help all my members succeed, and Im not excited to see this. So for anyone on here thinks that joining a TE is not joining a mailing list, read the terms of agreement instead of just clicking the button, and yes by you signing up and clicking a verification email is a double opt in whether it is from aweber or the script. Im assuming that the reason the lj and the walker scripts don’t allow for you to delete your account with out logging is simply because you would lose everything you had, your downline, cash, credits, impressions, your work. All of it gone. I constantly check my IP against blacklists and spam reports and I have never to my knowledge been reported. I see people come and go all the time.
Point is, this thread is not the place for the discussion and if this is that big of an issue then why doesn’t someone…maybe a programmer, step up to the plate and help the cause.
Yes I’m working on a follow up post, in progress..
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Mod is in it’s $25 bucks if your on an lj no excuses.
Hey Tim. This should be fixed soon, as I move forward with a relaunch. I have some big things planned and have been off the map for some time. You’ll be seeing me back at it in a few…
I own a small 2500 members TE for 3 years and I never send any personal promotions and best of all, when a member signup, he have the option to receive emails or not.
He can login an uncheck the RECEIVE MAIL option.
My disclaimer is below.
Good job Tim.
Mike
This is not spam, you are receiving this because someone, probably you, applied for
Trucker6roadclicks.com membership using the email address to which this message is addressed.
To remove yourself from this email list, login to your Trucker6roadclicks.com account and change your info in your account stats.
As always when i and Tim start talking, it end in fighting, need to stop that bad habit-)
Is this thread about that we exchange owners spam our members or is it that we send out to much emails to them?
I think if we were spamming our members, our exchanges have been shut down long time ago.
Yes i get complaints, but its most from members that have not surfed one website, they just joined so they could complain, think many owners know this.
Of course if i do something illegal, i will do something about it, but as i see it there are different view about this.
Many are happy to get info about new programs and tools that launch, what about they? Is it right we stop sending info because just a few get mad about it?
Maybe out of topic here, just wonder because i dont see its right that few grumpy members are going to decide how often we owners are going to send info and what info-)
Kjell
The topic isn’t email frequency or content, but making an unsubscribe link available so it’s not impossible to get off the list.
This is like beating a dead horse. Is there a delete button :-I
One of my pet hates too Tim, as an 80 year old Aussie from ‘the horse and buggy days’ trying to keep up with the fast moving 21st century!!!
Are you kidding me?
Membership sites are not subject to can-spam! Did you not confirm this yourself in the post about cleaning up the industry?
The only cleaning up the industry really has to do is to stop sending out “buy this” “join this” type of emails to it’s memberhip.
Transactional/Relational messages only, and even promotional with regards to the membership…
Really Tim, you know better.
Ray
So you think it’s a good idea to make it difficult to get off the mailing list?
Oh please save that speech…
The only cleaning up this industry has to do is EDUCATE people and show them it’s OK TO SELL to your list.
Wow….
And we wonder why 97% of marketers fail….It’s by reading garbage remarks like that.
Sorry folks, hate me all you want, but selling is what puts food on the table. You are in internet marketing, learn to market. Learn to sell!
To some extent I do agree without Tim, I wish I could still be a member of a traffic exchange program Without receiving any of the pitches, updates, contest results etc..
If I don’t like the constant updates and the exchange as a whole, I just delete my account all together.
It’s good that you brought it up though.
Paul
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