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> <channel><title>Comments on: Deleting Old Safelist Emails</title> <atom:link href="http://www.timlinden.com/blog/safelists/deleting-old-safelist-emails/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.timlinden.com/blog/safelists/deleting-old-safelist-emails/</link> <description>The official blog of Tim Linden, owner of StartXchange.</description> <lastBuildDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 01:25:03 +0000</lastBuildDate> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2</generator> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <xhtml:meta xmlns:xhtml="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" name="robots" content="noindex" /> <item><title>By: Edwin</title><link>http://www.timlinden.com/blog/safelists/deleting-old-safelist-emails/comment-page-1/#comment-54312</link> <dc:creator>Edwin</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 14:58:48 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.timlinden.com/blog/?p=1704#comment-54312</guid> <description>As most of us know, GMAIL can be reached with POP or IMAP protocol. So here is how I have been doing it for years already:I use Thunderbird, but could also be using Outlook or whatever email client.
I do actually receive all emails locally on my computer with the option of deleting the mails on the server after receiving it locally.In Thunderbird (Mozilla) I have my filters in place to separate the good stuff from crap in the first place. Also I have set up a different filter that removes all messages older then 7 days.
The filtering is absolutely a great feature that most of the local email client software basically have available for users. In this case it doesn&#039;t matter if you use Outlook or Mozilla or whatever client.I prefer Thunderbird, since it is pretty safe and fast and has some great add-ons.
Only thing what is not working that well in Thunderbird, is the fact that with Thunderbird you will have to compact folders once in a while. This to keep in sync with the gmail server. Don&#039;t ask me why, but it is recommended by gmail and mozilla to set compacting to a few times a day, when you have Thunderbird running constantly. Now you may think what has compacting to do with it? But it seems that compacting also syncs  with the server.
Like me, I have Thunderbird open 24/7. So compacting folders is set to automatic every 2 hours :-) Yes, even this option can be set to automatic (that&#039;s why I like Thunderbird Mozilla&#039;s open source product)Hope this helps members that prefer to use local email clients!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As most of us know, GMAIL can be reached with POP or IMAP protocol. So here is how I have been doing it for years already:</p><p>I use Thunderbird, but could also be using Outlook or whatever email client.<br
/> I do actually receive all emails locally on my computer with the option of deleting the mails on the server after receiving it locally.</p><p>In Thunderbird (Mozilla) I have my filters in place to separate the good stuff from crap in the first place. Also I have set up a different filter that removes all messages older then 7 days.<br
/> The filtering is absolutely a great feature that most of the local email client software basically have available for users. In this case it doesn&#8217;t matter if you use Outlook or Mozilla or whatever client.</p><p>I prefer Thunderbird, since it is pretty safe and fast and has some great add-ons.<br
/> Only thing what is not working that well in Thunderbird, is the fact that with Thunderbird you will have to compact folders once in a while. This to keep in sync with the gmail server. Don&#8217;t ask me why, but it is recommended by gmail and mozilla to set compacting to a few times a day, when you have Thunderbird running constantly. Now you may think what has compacting to do with it? But it seems that compacting also syncs  with the server.<br
/> Like me, I have Thunderbird open 24/7. So compacting folders is set to automatic every 2 hours :-) Yes, even this option can be set to automatic (that&#8217;s why I like Thunderbird Mozilla&#8217;s open source product)</p><p>Hope this helps members that prefer to use local email clients!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Marianne</title><link>http://www.timlinden.com/blog/safelists/deleting-old-safelist-emails/comment-page-1/#comment-54308</link> <dc:creator>Marianne</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 11:33:24 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.timlinden.com/blog/?p=1704#comment-54308</guid> <description>They are still open for business, now you know why I am re-writing and updating!!!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They are still open for business, now you know why I am re-writing and updating!!!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: yolanda</title><link>http://www.timlinden.com/blog/safelists/deleting-old-safelist-emails/comment-page-1/#comment-54301</link> <dc:creator>yolanda</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 03:00:54 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.timlinden.com/blog/?p=1704#comment-54301</guid> <description>thanks Tim, I knew how to delete but not like you just explained.  I&#039;m headed over to gmail and delete all 50k+ now!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks Tim, I knew how to delete but not like you just explained.  I&#8217;m headed over to gmail and delete all 50k+ now!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Karen Taylor</title><link>http://www.timlinden.com/blog/safelists/deleting-old-safelist-emails/comment-page-1/#comment-54298</link> <dc:creator>Karen Taylor</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 01:43:32 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.timlinden.com/blog/?p=1704#comment-54298</guid> <description>Re: Setting up Gmail filters – also tick the box beside “Skip the Inbox” (or something like that). If you have only one Gmail account, and you use it for all your safelists and a few other programs that demand a Gmail account, by “skipping the Inbox” for your safelist mail, your Inbox will show you only the “assorted” other mail you might be receiving. Then you can click on the label name of the safelist mail you want to access, after you’ve looked over your other mail.Hint: ListVolta does two neat things – First, the “click for credit” links are at the top – you don’t even have to scroll through the email message to go to the credit window. Second – look at the gray area to the right of the bold subject line and you’ll see exactly how many credits the message is worth. Messages from free members are worth 20 NOKs; messages from upgraded members are worth much more. If you’re pressed for time, pick only the ones with points showing. This is great for the “clicker” but not so great for the advertiser. With so many, many messages every day to choose from, who’s reading those from free members? So, here’s a list where it’s even more important to upgrade.Re: Lists with no credit links (such as ListBandit, ViralURL) – why on earth would anybody read the messages? I hang in there because these are included in so many downline builders, but I don’t seem to be building a downline in any of the downline builders, so I’m questioning the value of safelists altogether, and most particularly the “non-credit” ones.As with any kind of advertising, there’s definitely an art to it. Join and mail just won’t get it. You really have to learn what to advertise in safelists, what kind of messages to use, and what sort of landing page to send visitors to. Being absolutely FIRST to mail to the lists with a new TE or Safelist or program that really has something going for it will bring some signups from those who like to jump on board fast (but those folks usually have an “inside track” and join from links from people that they know rather than a “faceless” safelist message or landing page).Re: Stephen (above) who notes the difference between hits and visitors – he’s right; your hit count will go up, which may or may not have some impact on an Alexa ranking, but if you’re promoting an affiliate URL, that’s not going to do you much good anyway. Again, it’s important to learn what is best promoted in safelists. Traffic from TEs and safelists is not highly regarded by many, including Google and vendors who are looking at your stats to approve or disapprove you as a publisher.Re: expiring links. I’ve learned that “solos” in some ad exchanges expire more quickly than “super solos” or “sonic solos” (or other fancy name indicating a higher value).Question: If we’re all learning the tricks of getting credits without reading or responding to messages, what’s the point? I haven’t done nearly the tracking Tim has done, but I am really beginning to question the ROI on the amount of time and energy (and it some cases, money) I am devoting to safelists. At first the new-format ad exchanges were appealing because of the additional flexibility a member has in advertising (formatted messages, graphics in messages, the 600×300 “standard” graphic ad format, etc.), but I question how many members actually log in regularly to their accounts and do much of anything more than send messages. How many are viewing the messages of others within the members’ area?And at some safelists (ad exchanges, downline builders, etc.), you have so few choices at the free level re: spending your credits that your ability to advertise is severely limited.I think the jury is still out on the overall value of safelists, unless you’re already making a ton of money and you can outsource the maintenance and operation of your safelist advertising.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: Setting up Gmail filters – also tick the box beside “Skip the Inbox” (or something like that). If you have only one Gmail account, and you use it for all your safelists and a few other programs that demand a Gmail account, by “skipping the Inbox” for your safelist mail, your Inbox will show you only the “assorted” other mail you might be receiving. Then you can click on the label name of the safelist mail you want to access, after you’ve looked over your other mail.</p><p>Hint: ListVolta does two neat things – First, the “click for credit” links are at the top – you don’t even have to scroll through the email message to go to the credit window. Second – look at the gray area to the right of the bold subject line and you’ll see exactly how many credits the message is worth. Messages from free members are worth 20 NOKs; messages from upgraded members are worth much more. If you’re pressed for time, pick only the ones with points showing. This is great for the “clicker” but not so great for the advertiser. With so many, many messages every day to choose from, who’s reading those from free members? So, here’s a list where it’s even more important to upgrade.</p><p>Re: Lists with no credit links (such as ListBandit, ViralURL) – why on earth would anybody read the messages? I hang in there because these are included in so many downline builders, but I don’t seem to be building a downline in any of the downline builders, so I’m questioning the value of safelists altogether, and most particularly the “non-credit” ones.</p><p>As with any kind of advertising, there’s definitely an art to it. Join and mail just won’t get it. You really have to learn what to advertise in safelists, what kind of messages to use, and what sort of landing page to send visitors to. Being absolutely FIRST to mail to the lists with a new TE or Safelist or program that really has something going for it will bring some signups from those who like to jump on board fast (but those folks usually have an “inside track” and join from links from people that they know rather than a “faceless” safelist message or landing page).</p><p>Re: Stephen (above) who notes the difference between hits and visitors – he’s right; your hit count will go up, which may or may not have some impact on an Alexa ranking, but if you’re promoting an affiliate URL, that’s not going to do you much good anyway. Again, it’s important to learn what is best promoted in safelists. Traffic from TEs and safelists is not highly regarded by many, including Google and vendors who are looking at your stats to approve or disapprove you as a publisher.</p><p>Re: expiring links. I’ve learned that “solos” in some ad exchanges expire more quickly than “super solos” or “sonic solos” (or other fancy name indicating a higher value).</p><p>Question: If we’re all learning the tricks of getting credits without reading or responding to messages, what’s the point? I haven’t done nearly the tracking Tim has done, but I am really beginning to question the ROI on the amount of time and energy (and it some cases, money) I am devoting to safelists. At first the new-format ad exchanges were appealing because of the additional flexibility a member has in advertising (formatted messages, graphics in messages, the 600×300 “standard” graphic ad format, etc.), but I question how many members actually log in regularly to their accounts and do much of anything more than send messages. How many are viewing the messages of others within the members’ area?</p><p>And at some safelists (ad exchanges, downline builders, etc.), you have so few choices at the free level re: spending your credits that your ability to advertise is severely limited.</p><p>I think the jury is still out on the overall value of safelists, unless you’re already making a ton of money and you can outsource the maintenance and operation of your safelist advertising.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Jeff Henshaw</title><link>http://www.timlinden.com/blog/safelists/deleting-old-safelist-emails/comment-page-1/#comment-54296</link> <dc:creator>Jeff Henshaw</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:03:37 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.timlinden.com/blog/?p=1704#comment-54296</guid> <description>I use moomia.com to host many of my list addresses.They cost peanuts a year for very large capacity in boxes and after you have read the emails that you want, then they have a &quot;Delete Inbox&quot; feature. So with one click, you can clear your entire inbox.Now a number of safelists won&#039;t allow you to use moomia.com email addresses, because they claim that they bounce. This is nonsense and is merely a ploy to try to get you to sign up to a paid email account that they (the safelist owners) recommend (and profit from).An easy way to get around discrimination such as this, is to buy a cheap domain name (anything will do) and set up your Moomia (or whatever account) through your domain name.When you sign up for the safelist account, you then simply use:
whatevername@yourdomain.com or whatever domain suffix you use.Your email will be accepted and all of your list emails will go to your email address @moomia.com or whatever email provider you direct your email to.QED.I hope that this helps.Regards,
Jeff Henshaw.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I use moomia.com to host many of my list addresses.</p><p>They cost peanuts a year for very large capacity in boxes and after you have read the emails that you want, then they have a &#8220;Delete Inbox&#8221; feature. So with one click, you can clear your entire inbox.</p><p>Now a number of safelists won&#8217;t allow you to use moomia.com email addresses, because they claim that they bounce. This is nonsense and is merely a ploy to try to get you to sign up to a paid email account that they (the safelist owners) recommend (and profit from).</p><p>An easy way to get around discrimination such as this, is to buy a cheap domain name (anything will do) and set up your Moomia (or whatever account) through your domain name.</p><p>When you sign up for the safelist account, you then simply use:<br
/> <a
href="mailto:whatevername@yourdomain.com">whatevername@yourdomain.com</a> or whatever domain suffix you use.</p><p>Your email will be accepted and all of your list emails will go to your email address @moomia.com or whatever email provider you direct your email to.</p><p>QED.</p><p>I hope that this helps.</p><p>Regards,<br
/> Jeff Henshaw.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Jean Grainger</title><link>http://www.timlinden.com/blog/safelists/deleting-old-safelist-emails/comment-page-1/#comment-54295</link> <dc:creator>Jean Grainger</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 15:26:47 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.timlinden.com/blog/?p=1704#comment-54295</guid> <description>Thanks for the tip Timthe first time I used safelists I was overwhelmed but I soon had my two gmail system it has not bothered me because Gmail is bottom less and will never bounce. I now have 3 another one for TEs, other peoples lists and business e-mails.I even got proud that my safelist and adexchange inboxs have well into the 170000s So you can see there is nothing to worry about.The majority of ad exchanges it is 14 days. If you want to use them I find for certain types of programs I get 4 - 6 sign ups a day. It is not free traffic programs.Ad exchanges will only accept gmail. They all give you a link.Ad exchanges have been called the new safelists. If you are not using them you are missing out, Like TEs they offer a variety of ads.TTP could be described as a TE ad exchange cross.In a new ad exchange you may be only sending out to a few hundred people but 60% will be opening your e-mail and they will be newbies who don&#039;t know all the tricks to collect credits quickly so they will look at your site.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the tip Tim</p><p>the first time I used safelists I was overwhelmed but I soon had my two gmail system it has not bothered me because Gmail is bottom less and will never bounce. I now have 3 another one for TEs, other peoples lists and business e-mails.</p><p>I even got proud that my safelist and adexchange inboxs have well into the 170000s So you can see there is nothing to worry about.</p><p>The majority of ad exchanges it is 14 days. If you want to use them I find for certain types of programs I get 4 &#8211; 6 sign ups a day. It is not free traffic programs.</p><p>Ad exchanges will only accept gmail. They all give you a link.</p><p>Ad exchanges have been called the new safelists. If you are not using them you are missing out, Like TEs they offer a variety of ads.</p><p>TTP could be described as a TE ad exchange cross.</p><p>In a new ad exchange you may be only sending out to a few hundred people but 60% will be opening your e-mail and they will be newbies who don&#8217;t know all the tricks to collect credits quickly so they will look at your site.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Gary Givan</title><link>http://www.timlinden.com/blog/safelists/deleting-old-safelist-emails/comment-page-1/#comment-54294</link> <dc:creator>Gary Givan</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 15:14:15 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.timlinden.com/blog/?p=1704#comment-54294</guid> <description>I&#039;ve been using safelists for quite a while and never get 300 e-mails a day.There are safelists that limit the amount of e-mails they send to keep the response high. Also, check in your account area to see if you can limit the amount of e-mails.I belong to four safelists and never get over 100 e-mails a day. Just search for the ones who keep the amount of e-mails low and increase the chance your e-mail will be read.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been using safelists for quite a while and never get 300 e-mails a day.</p><p>There are safelists that limit the amount of e-mails they send to keep the response high. Also, check in your account area to see if you can limit the amount of e-mails.</p><p>I belong to four safelists and never get over 100 e-mails a day. Just search for the ones who keep the amount of e-mails low and increase the chance your e-mail will be read.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Tim</title><link>http://www.timlinden.com/blog/safelists/deleting-old-safelist-emails/comment-page-1/#comment-54293</link> <dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 14:28:55 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.timlinden.com/blog/?p=1704#comment-54293</guid> <description>Reading it now.. Some of the links don&#039;t work. I&#039;m trying to click &quot;USA-Email&quot; and it&#039;s blue but no link.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reading it now.. Some of the links don&#8217;t work. I&#8217;m trying to click &#8220;USA-Email&#8221; and it&#8217;s blue but no link.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: D. Morgan Henley</title><link>http://www.timlinden.com/blog/safelists/deleting-old-safelist-emails/comment-page-1/#comment-54292</link> <dc:creator>D. Morgan Henley</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 13:56:03 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.timlinden.com/blog/?p=1704#comment-54292</guid> <description>Most safelist users can get thousands of emails every day. This is no different than any other advertising method, the ad has to capture our attention. There is no way that I could attend to thousands of emails a day, this doesn&#039;t mean that I am in some way cheating the system.
Tim&#039;s solution is the correct one! As these ads do have an expiration, it is only sensible to have a method for deleting, in bulk, valueless old emails. I have been using this technique for months.
Stephen, do YOU actually read all the email received from safelists? Unless you only subscribe to one or two, I don&#039;t see how you could read anything close to all that you receive.
Safelist marketing is a valid method of marketing, not the best, but it does produce results now and then. But to think that one must read all safelist emails is simply unrealistic.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most safelist users can get thousands of emails every day. This is no different than any other advertising method, the ad has to capture our attention. There is no way that I could attend to thousands of emails a day, this doesn&#8217;t mean that I am in some way cheating the system.<br
/> Tim&#8217;s solution is the correct one! As these ads do have an expiration, it is only sensible to have a method for deleting, in bulk, valueless old emails. I have been using this technique for months.<br
/> Stephen, do YOU actually read all the email received from safelists? Unless you only subscribe to one or two, I don&#8217;t see how you could read anything close to all that you receive.<br
/> Safelist marketing is a valid method of marketing, not the best, but it does produce results now and then. But to think that one must read all safelist emails is simply unrealistic.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Michael</title><link>http://www.timlinden.com/blog/safelists/deleting-old-safelist-emails/comment-page-1/#comment-54285</link> <dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 13:01:19 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.timlinden.com/blog/?p=1704#comment-54285</guid> <description>I only read the first 50 each day and delete the others anyway.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I only read the first 50 each day and delete the others anyway.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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